Or allowing the eating of shellfish or crustaceans? It's an abomination to God, right? Yet there are temples erected all over this Godless nation in tribute to the eating of shellfish, Long John Sliver's, Crab Shacks, Red Lobster...How does the State allowing same sex marriage any less of an affront to religion than allowing divorce?
Many of the answers are right. It should up to people to decide and not any government entities (namely executive, legislative, judicial). If interested, look up the Bill of Rights in the federal Constitution, especially the !0th Amendment. To paraphrase, it says that any rights or power not delegated to the U.S as a whole will be given to the state and citizens. That is the power of the vote. The worst offender of this right is the U.S. Supreme Court. Just think of the many decisions made by this group of non-elected individuals and the ramifications it had on society. Marbury vs. Madison gave the Supreme Court final decision on the Constitutionality of laws. The Dred Scott decision allowed a slave owner to keep it's slave and in a sense condoning the evils of slavery. Plessy vs. Fergason created the idea of separate but equal clause that was anything but. Everson vs. New Jersey created the false idea of the wall of separation between church and state. The anti-sodomy laws of a southern state usurped the 10th Amendment. The vote of the people needs to be heard loud and clear to the few elected by us.
It's not - mostly because marriage has never been solely Christian, pre-dates most present day religions, and it is a matter of state not church what is allowed. What is allowed *in church* is down to that particular church, as individual faith. If they want to debate about churches doing it, you can't really stop that. But they have no right to claim same sex marriage should not be allowed at all.How does the State allowing same sex marriage any less of an affront to religion than allowing divorce?
Some laws are universal moral laws. This includes do not steal, do not kill, and others. There is no disagreement that these laws should indeed be continued to be obeyed today.
Some laws are cultural universals - laws geared to Israel's culture that have a universal moral law behind them - the prohibition on trimming your beard [Lev. 19:27] relates to pagan practices that cut facial hair for magical purposes.
Some are ceremonial laws. Instructions for building the Ark of the Covenant, sacrificial laws, and dietary laws.
Their purpose was to make the Jews "different" and to serve as a testimony to their difference in the most intimate ancient setting, that of meal fellowship.
Some sects of Christianity allow divorce in certain circumstances, some do not. They don't all interpret the Bible the same way in this matter. As for eating crustaceans, I recall St. Paul saying somewhere in the N.T. that the old Jewish dietary restrictions no longer apply. I agree with what you're trying to say, but you need to do some homework and come up with better analogies.
Moses gave a writ of divorce.
Matthew 19:3-8
“Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
Jesus answered, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them MALE and FEMALE,’ and said, ‘For this reason a MAN shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his WIFE, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
Divorce was a controversial topic in Jesus’ day, with two main schools of thought, centered around two of its most famous proponents. The first was the school of Rabbi Shammai (a strict and unpopular view) and second was the school of Rabbi Hillel (a lax and popular view as it is today). Divorce is the result of the hardness of people's heart. It is sad and destructive and God hates it. It has NOTHING to do with same sex marriage.
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Jews follow the Kosher laws, yes, as commanded by God. It really has nothing to do with your point.
Those who oppose equal rights under the law for ALL our citizens is an affront to reason and logic.
It is ironic that being AGAINST same-sex marriage says that one is AGAINST committed relationships.
The rationale would seem to go like this:
"By the very fact that we have defined by law that ONLY heterosexuals may marry, we have decided that you are to be a perpetually second class citizen. We have decided that under the law, YOU ARE NOT WORTHY of the SAME rights that heterosexuals assume automatically. That you do NOT have the right to marry the person you love. That you do NOT have the right to have YOUR relationship given the regard and respect that ALL heterosexuals marriages are given. In fact we declare that NO homosexual relationship is worthy of the same regard as the LEAST of all heterosexual relationships."
"Your relationship to the one you love, is inherently inferior to ANY relationship between two heterosexuals. Two people who have loved and cared for each other in a permanent committed relationship for 30 years, is still inferior that even the 24 hour marriage of some celebrity."
"You are to be considered a permanent second class citizen. Because of your inferior status, and the inherent inferiority of ANY relationship you may have with another person, it is deemed too inferior to be deemed a marriage. It is NEVER to be held in the same regard or with the same respect that a heterosexual relationship. NO other considerations matter. Even two heterosexuals who get married and ALSO can not have children, is infinitely superior to YOUR relationship, merely because your sex act is physically different, It does not matter if you and your partner love each other with your whole hearts. It does not matter if either of you would sacrifice anything to bring happiness to the other. It does not matter how much love your relationship engenders. NONE of this matters. The only thing that matters is the physicality of the relationship. We have decided to reduce the kernel and most defining aspect of marriage to merely the physical expression in its intimate act of physical love. NOTHGING else is more important, nor as important. The real love engendered is not as important. Neither the years of commitment nor the self-sacrifice of either of its partners is as important. Not the fact that each partner was able to bring out the best in their respective partners is as important. NO, only the fact that one can not put a penis into the vagina of the other determines the worthiness of the marriage contract. That it be recognized and regaled and respected by society."
"And by that very fact that you are homosexual, by that very fact alone, are deemed less a person than any heterosexual. The most giving homosexual in society, who might have even given his entire life to help others, is not as worthy as the person on death row for committing the most heinous act against his fellow man."
"Sorry, we have decided that by the very fact that you are homosexual, you are NOT entitled to full rights of citizenship, and worse, NO homosexual relationship of yours is worthy of the respect as the LEAST of OUR heterosexual relationships."
"Religion" mostly gives one the excuse to show everyone else how righteous one is, and condemning gays is an easy way to make one assume superiority.
And of course hypocracy allows us NOT to get so anxious about divorce especially since 50% of us get divorced.
On divorce: Matthew 19:8
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning
On unclean foods: Acts 15:28-29
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
....can't find any place where homosexuality was allowed...
I'm not going to give you much of an answer. But look up the story of Sodom %26amp; Gomorrah in the Old Testament. God destroyed those cities where same sex was prevalent, where same sex was practiced. This is a historical fact. Fire and brimstone came down out of heaven. This isn't a fairy tale. I talked with a man from Palestine. Everyone over there knows that God rained fire and brimstone down out of heaven on them. There is even sulfur clumps that can be found today on the site of Sodom.
If only you'd stopped after the "less of an affront to religion than allowing divorce" comment, I would've probably agreed with you.
As to the rest, I can only say that Jesus (whom Christians worship as God) said all food is clean. (Cf. Mark 7:19)
SORRY MY FRIEND.
IN THE BIBLE ( DIVORCE IS RECOGNIZED AND EXCELLENTLY |GIVEN IN CITINGS ( BY MR S)
IT IT NOT GOOD FOR MAN TO BE ALONE SO GOD MADE EVE FOR ADAM IN GENESIS AND TOLD THEM TO BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY ( THUS TWO SEXES ( MALE/ FEMALE)
HOWEVER GOD LOVES ALL./ IT IS SAID THAT ( PAUL HAD A THORN IN HIS SIDE AND DID NOT MARRY (
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/142/story…
THE GAY CENTURIAN
http://www.glreview.com/article.php?arti…
WE LOVE ALL/ HOWEVER YOU CAN BE UNITED BY A CIVIL CEROMONY NOT ( NO I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL)"
I DO BELIEVE HOWEVER THAT UNDER MARRIAGE AS EXPRESED IN THE CHURCH IT IS FORBIDDEN
YES RE SHELLFISH.. CRUSTACEANS IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD
Absolutely .. ( WE ARE INDEED BREAKING THE LAW ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE) AND THEY ARE BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH ( TOO AS PROVEN) BY PHYSICIANS AND DIETICiANS ETC
I AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAY (
RE MARRIAGE ( I APPROVE BY THE STATE LAWS AND ACCEPT IT IN A CIVIL CEROMONY
IN A BIBLICAL RELIGIOUS CEROMONY I DONT/ AS PER ( BIBLE
Ummm......
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Sorry. But you need to do some more studying.
Divorce is allowed in the bible, under the circumstance your spouse was unfaithful to you.
I think it's all really a control issue with most protesters. It does not effect them, why should they care? If saving them is their goal, that can't be done to begin with %26amp; certainly not by trying to force change or control.
Because these things are not done despite religion. They are done without any reverence to it at all. This is a secular country. Good day.
the Bible allows for divorce it just donsent allow for remarige until after your ex dies.
'Cause they're hypocrites.
If it isn't for their benefit, they ban it.
Anymore it seems, society makes up the rules as time rolls along.
I still live by the book!
they're answers will be "jesus died so that we don't have to follow the OT rules anymore."
or something along those lines.
A-freekin'-men!!!!!!!!!!!!
I say if you want to live in a country ruled by religion, then move to Iran.
stop bitchin' and go write a letter to your congressman - sheesh!
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